## Intro [(00:00:00)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=0s) - The right has not figured out if many of its concerns can be solved through policy solutions, and this is a significant political problem [(00:00:00)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=0s). - JD Vance's ability to change his tone and message depending on the audience is an example of this issue, as he sounds different in public debates versus in podcast interviews and speeches [(00:00:10)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=10s). - This divergence between private and public messages creates an unresolved problem within a political coalition and its thinking [(00:00:31)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=31s). - There is a discussion about the possibility of President [[Joe Biden | Biden]] dropping out and the need for an open process to nominate a replacement [(00:00:44)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=44s). - [[Ezra Klein]], a journalist from [[The New York Times]], is joining the conversation and has been referred to as a breakout star of the 2024 election [(00:01:02)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=62s). - Emily is also joining the conversation, but may not be able to stay for the entire episode as she is on a reporting trip in [[Rome]] [(00:01:28)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=88s). - The conversation is part of a series with independent and mainstream journalists, and will explore topics such as post-liberalism on the right [(00:00:54)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=54s). - Ezra Klein had previously hosted Emily on his podcast, where they discussed the trend of post-liberalism on the right [(00:02:02)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=122s). ## The Modern Media Landscape [(00:02:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=135s) - The origin story of a journalist is tied to the story of technology and journalism, with the blogging era being a cycle of unbundling, allowing individuals to reach audiences independently through platforms like [[Blogger (service) | Blogspot]] and [[YouTube]] [(00:02:37)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=157s). - The rise of the internet enabled independent thinkers to adapt to new environments with new technology and delivery systems, shaking up the journalism industry [(00:02:52)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=172s). - The journalist's career began with blogging in 2003, when it was not seen as a viable way to do journalism, and people looked at bloggers strangely [(00:03:47)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=227s). - The media only does two things: it bundles and it unbundles, and the blogging era was a cycle of unbundling, allowing individuals to have an audience without being part of a publication [(00:03:59)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=239s). - The journalist's career progressed from blogging to working at small publications like [[The American Prospect | the American Prospect]] and then bigger publications like [[The Washington Post]] [(00:04:57)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=297s). - A period of rebundling followed, where bloggers got snapped up by bigger publications, and then another period where individuals like [[Nate Silver]] and [[Ben Smith (journalist) | Ben Smith]] left to build their own outlets [(00:05:08)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=308s). - The rise of platforms like [[Vox (website) | Vox]], [[BuzzFeed | BuzzFeed News]], and 538 marked a mix of unbundling and rebundling, as individuals built their own outlets while still being part of larger publications [(00:05:34)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=334s). - The journalist notes that the current era, with the rise of [[Substack]], may be a return to the early days of the internet, when individuals could build their own audiences independently [(00:03:07)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=187s). - Many organizations that emerged in the early 2000s, such as Vox and The Federalist, are still around, but they did not become the next generation of major incumbents as hoped [(00:06:07)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=367s). - The rise of Substack created another moment of unbundling, allowing writers to monetize their audience, which was not possible in the blogosphere [(00:06:19)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=379s). - Substack is not an ecosystem like the blogosphere, but it allows writers to make a living; however, it is hard for new writers to develop a significant audience on the platform [(00:06:57)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=417s). - Substack is now being used as a platform to create new bundles, with examples including [[The Free Press (online newsletter) | The Free Press]] under [[Bari Weiss | Barry Weiss]] and [[The Dispatch]] under Sam Stein [(00:07:17)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=437s). - There is a return to mid-level media, with new sites and [[YouTube]] channels emerging, as the independent path on Substack is proving to be tough [(00:07:35)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=455s). - Subscriptions on [[Substack]] can be expensive, and the platform may max out at a relatively low level, unlike the original blogosphere, which was costless to navigate [(00:07:59)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=479s). - The mainstream media may be becoming more tolerant of independent voices, but it is also possible that independent voices are being co-opted into the mainstream [(00:08:38)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=518s). - The interest in different opinions and ideas from outside the mainstream may be driven by the market, with institutions looking to capitalize on new voices and ideas [(00:09:12)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=552s). - This phenomenon is not new, as major institutions have always looked to incorporate new voices and ideas that resonate with their audiences [(00:09:31)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=571s). - The concept of capitalism is present in various industries, including music, movies, television, and media, where products and ideas are constantly evolving and competing for attention [(00:09:34)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=574s). - The rise of Substack has led to a shift in the way writers and journalists share their work, but it's not a new phenomenon, and there's always a lag between what's popular in independent spheres and what's accepted in mainstream institutions [(00:11:01)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=661s). - The idea that [[Substack]] offers a vastly different ideological set of perspectives is not entirely accurate, as many of these ideas can be found elsewhere, often with better editing [(00:10:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=615s). - Following writers and journalists through various platforms, including journals and Substacks, can be useful, but some Substacks can be tiresome to follow and may not be the best expression of their ideas [(00:10:39)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=639s). - Magazines like [[First Things]] and journals like [[Claremont Review of Books | The Claremont Review of Books]] can be valuable resources for staying informed about various topics and ideas [(00:10:49)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=649s). - The speaker's career path, from working at [[The Washington Post]] to starting [[Vox (website) | Vox]], was driven by a desire to use digital media to do new things in the news, rather than a sense of restlessness [(00:12:50)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=770s). - The speaker feels profoundly tired, rather than restless, and has moved from one place to another in search of new challenges and opportunities to build something new [(00:12:45)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=765s). - The decision to leave The Washington Post was largely due to a desire for a different content management system and the ability to build an explanatory layer underneath their work [(00:13:11)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=791s). - The early phase of online journalism involved moving print content into a digital format, but the opportunities for growth and updates were remarkable, allowing a single story to change and grow over time [(00:13:24)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=804s). - The concept of "card stacks" was developed at Vox, which referred to a fundamental part of a story that provided context for new pieces of news, and could be updated and changed over time [(00:13:53)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=833s). - However, implementing card stacks was challenging due to workflow issues and the need for a large organization to make it work, similar to the size of [[The New York Times | the New York Times]] [(00:14:06)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=846s). - The rise of platforms like [[Facebook]], [[Google]], and [[Apple News]] led to a shift in publishing, where content was no longer just published on a website, but also on various platforms, making it difficult to control the underlying system [(00:14:24)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=864s). - Despite the challenges, [[Vox (website) | Vox]] was successful in pioneering contextual and explanatory journalism, which has since become commonplace in the media industry [(00:15:16)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=916s). - The founder of Vox left the organization due to exhaustion from managing a startup for seven or eight years and wanting to focus on their own work, rather than being a manager [(00:15:39)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=939s). - The decision to leave Vox also allowed for the current managers to have full freedom to make decisions without being influenced by the founder's presence [(00:16:06)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=966s). - The early link economy with the blogosphere allowed bloggers to make a living through ads, but this changed when Google decided to keep the money from ads, leading to a decline in revenue for bloggers [(00:16:45)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1005s). - Google's decision was possible due to its monopoly on the digital ad market, and this led to a "parasitic takeover" of digital media organizations by platforms [(00:17:18)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1038s). - News organizations were persuaded to "pivot to video" by platforms like [[Facebook]], which spent money funding their journalism to create online videos [(00:17:37)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1057s). - However, Facebook was lying about the views these videos were getting, and this led to the demise of many digital news organizations [(00:18:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1095s). - The pivot to video also killed organic ideas that journalists had for building a native live video audience, and instead pushed them into the Facebook video operation [(00:18:37)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1117s). - When Facebook got tired of the video operation, it left digital news organizations with no revenue or audience, leading to their collapse [(00:18:54)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1134s). - [[The New York Times]] is one of the few news organizations that has survived and thrived, and it has become almost a platform unto itself [(00:19:23)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1163s). - However, it is not considered a true platform because it does not allow others to build on it [(00:19:50)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1190s). - Facebook's role in the pivot to video was more about inflating views and promising huge audiences rather than providing significant funding to media organizations [(00:20:12)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1212s). - The promise of building huge audiences on platforms ultimately did not lead to revenue for most media organizations [(00:20:26)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1226s). ## The New Right Wing [(00:23:33)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1413s) - The discussion revolves around the concept of the neoliberal consensus and its perceived failures, particularly in the context of family policy and community level issues [(00:23:33)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1413s). - There is a sense that conservatives are now exploring the use of government policies to shape a more conservative world, which is a shift from their previous stance [(00:24:18)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1458s). - The idea is posed that the center-left, particularly those who wrote about these issues in the blogosphere during the Bush era, may have been ahead of the curve in sensing the problems that the right is now trying to address [(00:24:41)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1481s). - However, it is argued that the right's current approach to addressing these issues is not necessarily a result of sensing the problems earlier, but rather a response to their own failures [(00:25:03)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1503s). - The right is struggling to distinguish its own policy prescriptions from those on the left, and is often borrowing ideas from the left without fully understanding the underlying issues [(00:25:34)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1534s). - The example of Patrick Denine, a close associate of [[JD Vance]], is cited as an illustration of this phenomenon, where his policy ideas are difficult to distinguish from those of [[Joe Biden]] [(00:25:53)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1553s). - The issue of family breakdown is highlighted as a concern that has been discussed in different contexts for a long time, and it is questioned whether policy solutions can effectively address this problem [(00:26:54)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1614s). - JD Vance's "[[Hillbilly Elegy]]" is mentioned as an example of a work that extends the discussion of family breakdown and community issues, which has been written about in the context of black communities for a long time [(00:27:02)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1622s). - The problems of family breakdown and low fertility rates are difficult to solve, and various solutions have been tried on both the right and the left without success, including in countries like [[South Korea]], [[Japan]], and [[Italy]] that have more intense incentives to address these issues [(00:27:12)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1632s). - Some solutions to these problems, such as Universal child care, have not been effective in increasing fertility rates, even in countries with strong social policies like the Nordic nations [(00:27:47)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1667s). - Certain economic policies, such as increasing wages through the Earned Income Tax Credit and the [[Child tax credit | Child Tax Credit]], could help alleviate some of the concerns of people on the right, but broader community and family dimensions are more challenging to address [(00:28:05)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1685s). - The right has not fully recognized the scale of these problems or developed effective solutions that fit the issues, and the cultural dimensions of the "rot" on the right are tied to aggressive accelerators like [[Donald Trump]] and certain media outlets [(00:28:33)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1713s). - The new right is grappling with profound ideological difficulties, including contradictions between their cultural and economic agendas [(00:29:06)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1746s). - JD Vance's performance in the vice presidential debate was seen as an eloquent articulation of Biden's economic policy, but was accompanied by claims that [[Joe Biden | Biden]] is destroying the country, highlighting the tension between the new right's economic and cultural agendas [(00:29:23)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1763s). - The question remains whether the new right's emphasis on cultural issues is genuine or a cover for smuggling in cultural policies under the guise of economic populism [(00:30:03)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1803s). - There are differing interpretations of the new right's intentions, with some people seeing the economic and cultural agendas as intertwined, while others may be cynically using economic populism to advance cultural policies [(00:30:24)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1824s). - A comparison between JD Vance's defense of economic populism and Biden's defense of economic populism shows what's untenable about the realignment between the right and left, as Biden's policies could be seen as reducing single-parent households and improving marriage rates, but this is not explicitly stated [(00:30:42)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1842s). - The [[Kamala Harris | Harris]] campaign latched onto JD Vance's "childless cat lady" quote, highlighting the fundamental difference between JD Vance's defense of economic populism and Biden's defense of economic populism [(00:31:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1887s). - The realignment between the right and left is problematic for those on the new right who want to sell these policies to the public, as the public is not with them on questions of cultural conservatism [(00:31:46)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1906s). - [[Pete Buttigieg]] and [[JD Vance]] have certain echoes of each other, despite their differences, and both have struggled with presenting their views to the public [(00:31:59)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1919s). - Pete Buttigieg's views have remained consistent across different audiences, whereas JD Vance has struggled to present a consistent message, often changing his tone to appeal to a wider audience [(00:32:09)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1929s). - JD Vance's ability to win over the general public in a debate was due to his ability to not sound like himself, and instead present a more moderate tone [(00:32:56)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=1976s). - The right has persuaded itself that modern American culture is decadent and perverse, but this view is difficult to sell to the general public, leading to a disconnect between the right's internal views and their external messaging [(00:33:35)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2015s). - The right often talks about the perceived problems with modern American culture in their own forums, but tends to avoid discussing these issues when trying to win over actual voters [(00:33:48)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2028s). - JD Vance's political strategy involves presenting different messages to various audiences, which can be seen as a divergence between his actual views and public statements, creating an unresolved problem within his political coalition and thinking [(00:34:04)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2044s). - Vance's approach is to tailor his messaging for different audiences, such as right-wing podcasts versus the vice presidential debate, which can be seen as a reflection of fundamentally different politics or the same politics dressed up differently for messaging purposes [(00:34:32)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2072s). - Some politicians, like [[JD Vance | Vance]], may use different messaging purposes for different audiences in good faith, acknowledging the massive gap between their views and those of their audience, particularly when discussing sensitive topics like identity politics [(00:35:00)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2100s). - However, Vance's approach can also be seen as deceptive, using different messages for different audiences in bad faith, which is a common criticism of politicians who try to appeal to multiple groups with conflicting views [(00:36:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2187s). - The concept of "woke lash" refers to the backlash against the center-left's perceived overstepping on identity politics, which has led to a quiet stepping back from these issues without overtly renouncing previous views [(00:36:46)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2206s). - This phenomenon can be observed in the way politicians and media outlets approach sensitive topics, often avoiding overt statements or actions that might be seen as divisive or unpopular [(00:36:53)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2213s). - The "woke lash" has also led to a reevaluation of the center-left's approach to identity politics, with some politicians and media outlets quietly distancing themselves from previous views without explicitly renouncing them [(00:37:01)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2221s). - The media and politics have undergone significant changes, with technological advancements playing a crucial role in this transformation [(00:37:31)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2251s). - The introduction of [[Slack (software) | Slack]] and [[Twitter]] in a relatively short period has altered the way people communicate and organize within institutions [(00:37:55)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2275s). - Slack created an internal capacity for workers to discuss and organize, making it easier for employees to share their thoughts and opinions, which sometimes led to conflicts with management [(00:38:12)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2292s). - Twitter enabled these internal conflicts to spill out into the public sphere, creating public relations problems for institutions that were not equipped to handle them [(00:39:01)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2341s). - As a result, many institutions have been folding under the pressure, firing employees, and issuing statements they may not necessarily believe in [(00:39:19)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2359s). - Despite this, there has been a shift in the way institutions think about issues like systemic racism and representation, with many of these ideas becoming more widely accepted [(00:40:04)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2404s). - However, this shift has also led to a step back from some of the more extreme reactions to public criticism, as institutions have learned to navigate this new era of communication [(00:39:42)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2382s). - The view that there is systemic racism in policing is now widely held, but the idea of defunding the police is not as widely accepted [(00:40:09)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2409s). - Organizations now think about representation differently, and employees in progressive organizations are more likely to speak out on issues they care about [(00:40:41)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=2441s). ## Kamala 2024 [(00:50:06)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3006s) - Kamala Harris's campaign has not explicitly stated whether they will reappoint [[Lena Khan]] and [[Jonathan Kanter]], who have been central to the [[Joe Biden | Biden]] Administration's pro-worker antitrust policy, due to strategic ambiguity and the desire to maintain the loyalty of both the progressive wing of the [[Democratic Party (United States) | Democratic Party]] and donors who may not support this policy [(00:50:17)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3017s). - There is a rule that typically prohibits campaigns from making promises about reappointing specific administration members, and Harris's campaign has not made any such promises about other key figures, such as [[Janet Yellen]] [(00:50:43)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3043s). - The lack of a primary process for Harris's campaign has allowed them to maintain ambiguity on certain issues, including antitrust policy, without facing pressure from the left or right to take a clear stance [(00:51:32)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3092s). - The campaign's ambiguity on this issue has helped to maintain the support of both progressive Democrats and donors who may not share the same views on antitrust policy [(00:52:28)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3148s). - There was previously a call for an open primary process to nominate a replacement for President Biden if he were to drop out, but this is no longer considered a viable or desirable option [(00:52:52)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3172s). - In hindsight, it is unclear whether an open primary process would have been the right decision, as it is uncertain whether [[Kamala Harris]] will win the election and what the outcome of such a process would have been [(00:53:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3195s). - There may be backlash against the [[Democratic Party (United States) | Democratic Party]] if they lose the election, with some people arguing that [[Joe Biden]] should have stepped down and Kamala Harris should have taken his place, or that the party should have chosen a different candidate, such as [[Josh Shapiro]], who might have performed better in the industrial [[Midwestern United States | Midwest]] [(00:53:34)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3214s). - The party had little faith in Kamala Harris's ability to step into Biden's place effectively, which is why there was resistance to Biden stepping down earlier in the process [(00:53:58)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3238s). - If Harris wins, people may say that the concerns about her were unfounded, but if she loses, people may argue that Biden should have stepped down earlier and the party should have gone through a competitive process to choose a new candidate [(00:54:16)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3256s). - By the time Biden stepped down, it was too late for the party to go through a competitive process, and the party was exhausted from the effort to get him to step aside [(00:54:38)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3278s). - The idea of Biden stepping down in March or deciding not to run for re-election would have been a different scenario, allowing for a more competitive process [(00:54:55)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3295s). - The author received backlash for a February piece calling for Biden to step aside, with some people arguing that they had not sufficiently considered the alternatives [(00:55:44)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3344s). - The author notes that they did not read social media reactions at the time, but later found out that people were angry and had called them names on [[Twitter]] [(00:56:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3375s). - The author also notes that some people later apologized for how they were treated, but the author had not fully realized the extent of the backlash at the time [(00:56:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3387s). - [[Ezra Klein]] does not typically read about himself on Twitter, as he believes the human mind is not well-adapted for that level of feedback, and it makes him a less independent thinker [(00:56:40)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3400s). - Klein had private conversations with people from the [[Cabinet of Joe Biden | Biden Administration]], who disagreed with his views, citing that he underestimated [[Joe Biden]], overestimated [[Kamala Harris]], and thought the [[Democratic Party (United States) | Democratic party]] could not manage an open convention [(00:57:00)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3420s). - The Biden Administration people believed Klein was wrong because they thought he did not consider the possibility that the party would rally around a weak Kamala Harris at an open convention [(00:57:16)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3436s). - Klein notes that people were aware of Joe Biden's age being a problem, and in private conversations, he found that people thought he was wrong, but in a more reflective and interesting way [(00:57:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3447s). - Klein received both public and private criticism for his views, with some people calling him an idiot, but he appreciated being able to hear both sides of the argument [(00:57:45)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3465s). - The conversation is expected to change based on the outcome of the November elections [(00:58:23)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3503s). - [[Ezra Klein]] is the host of the Ezra Klein show and a [[The New York Times | New York Times]] columnist [(00:58:31)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3511s). ## EoS [(00:58:38)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3518s) - To access the full uncut show every morning, one can become a premium member at [[Breaking Points]] and receive it in their inbox and on [[Spotify]] [(00:58:46)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3526s). - The full uncut show is available to premium members at Breaking Points [(00:58:44)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3524s). - To see the rest of Counterpoints, one can go to Breaking Points [(00:58:42)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3522s). - Viewers can subscribe to Breaking Points to access additional content [(00:58:39)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98&t=3519s). ## Sources - [website](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG3x7GhKp98)